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Pew Terror
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:14:00 -
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Sometimes when i walk by a homeless person near the mall and notice they are pretty weak I just start kicking them in the chins and take their quarters. Then I laugh at them when they tear up realizing that they will have to starve the next few days.
Yeah, preying on the weak and defenseless makes me a pretty hilarious dude! |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:00:00 -
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quick tl;dr:
Give me ingame thing X, I wont betray you (mauahahaha) <- Valid EvE gameplay, not under argument
I will not return ingame item X unless you do action Y in real life! <- Topic under discussion.
Does item X represent an object of value to the victim so that making him perform action Y is blackmail/coersion? Where is the line for action Y in real life (singing a single song widely considered ok, self mutilation considered not ok. Line somewhere in the middle). Is there a moral standard pertaining RL interaction between players that demands CCP interaction? |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:23:00 -
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What kind of disconnected individuals are all of you that the discussion about this is purely about the legal implications... |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:46:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.
Tell me exactly why this is illegal? If I walk up to some random dude on the street and ask them to sing me some songs, is that illegal? No, and if the dude thinks Im bothering him, he can ignore me, walk away, or he can do what this guy on this recording did, and throw a tantrum, right there on the street. Any normal person wouldnt do that, I mean, I dont think so. And if that had been recorded, it wouldnt, atleast not where I live, have been an illegal recording, as it was recorded in a public space. Its not quite the same, but there is really nothing wrong (other than maybe personal moral issues, or whatever else) with what Erotica 1 is doing. Not unless CCP change their rules on scamming.
Your initial situation is slightly wrong.
Imagine you just made a legal binding contract with said random person for life insurance paying a monthly of 300 dollars for the next 30 years. You were able to do this because you are rethorically good and the customer made a rash decision. No laws were broken.
Now you tell him in order for you to relieve him from the contract he needs to do a series of escalating self humiliations. You never intended of ever relieving him from said contract. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:35:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
Apologist much.
Hey guys its ok to stand up on a panel at EVE FEST broadcast around the world, and tell a kid to kill himself, as long as you apologize.
But a POX be upon you if you "A known Scammer" Scam someone via TS3.
This is nothing to do with their scamming. It is to do with their RL harassment & abuse of a PERSON. Note the key point here, they were not doing actions to someones in game avatar. They were directly abusing a PERSON. Using blackmail in order to keep them there to be abused. The fact the blackmail in this case happened to be digital goods does not excuse that type of behaviour.
This is exactly what should be discussed here.
Not who did what (this should not be a witchhunt on a certain player here, but define what the boundary is for this EvE meta).
Not how laymen think an EULA works.
The sole point here is about the difference between doing things in an online game to the virtual avatar of another player versus the targeted abuse of a real human being behind a computer screen.
Personally i think the matter that leads to someone knowingly targeting another individual human to cause him psychological or physical harm is irrelevant. We all rage in computer games and have times were it seems not so fun, but it is still at its core entertainment for every single individual that engages in it.
While i would personally take another player for all he got, kill him repeatedly and dance on his corpse, the moment i would think to myself of how i would make the actual person behind it miserable by any means necessary is undeniably despicable in a modern society.
tl;dr: Punch person in face in game -yes. Punch person in face in RL - no. Learn the difference. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:38:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Ad hominem. It's not ad hominem. It might be another logical fallacy, but it's not an ad hominem. k.
Person A: "1 plus 1 equals 2."
Person B: "No, because your face!"
^ad hominem |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:52:00 -
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Btw what really is preventing any kind of sensible discussion about the core matter is:
-Providing conclusions instead of statements to the argument (petitio principii)
-Failure of fact-value distinction (what is fact vs what should be morally right).
-The evasion of the actual topic by directing the attack at your opponent. (Ad hominem)
-Trying to sound smart or sophisticated enough without providing argument to deter replies (verbosium)
-Appealsunqualified source (shiptoasters in this thread) in support of an argument. (false attribution)
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tl;dr: You are all horrible people and i hate you.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:05:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Simyaldee wrote:However I also condemn those who may or may not have Blackmailed Erotica 1 for one reason or another. There's blackmail, & then there's linking your Amazon.com profile in an EVE chat that you later post on to a public pastebin which reveals some pretty nasty things about that guy you thought was only getting people to rub mayonaise on their chest.
sauce? |
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:30:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:and none of you find the name of the twitch stream offensive?
history weeps
m
Naming yourself after the event that started the mass slaughter of jews...
Seriously sometimes i wonder where society is going with online interaction becoming the norm for a large percentage of people. |
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:47:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Pew Terror wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:and none of you find the name of the twitch stream offensive?
history weeps
m Naming yourself after the event that started the mass slaughter of jews... Seriously sometimes i wonder where society is going with online interaction becoming the norm for a large percentage of people. Because forgetting the past is better?
Nah education on the topc is good. Im german myself, i had relative in the war. We had 2 years in school on the topc alone.
Its just from my cultural background that the topic shouldnt be taken lightly.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:48:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Kristalll wrote:Pew Terror wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:and none of you find the name of the twitch stream offensive?
history weeps
m Naming yourself after the event that started the mass slaughter of jews... Seriously sometimes i wonder where society is going with online interaction becoming the norm for a large percentage of people. Because forgetting the past is better? Forget? No. Respect? Yes. If he called it 'twin towers'? Mr Epeen  And God help me, I listen to Ride of the Valkyries when I go through a cyno.
This. Frontier Elite standard song! |
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